1 00:00:00,790 --> 00:00:07,320 [Music] 2 00:00:12,660 --> 00:00:09,440 [Applause] 3 00:00:14,910 --> 00:00:12,670 hi I am Christine and I'm gonna be 4 00:00:18,750 --> 00:00:14,920 talking about hydrothermal fluids on 5 00:00:20,580 --> 00:00:18,760 Europa so you've heard a couple talks 6 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:20,590 about hydrothermal systems already and 7 00:00:24,359 --> 00:00:22,330 this is an ocean world session so I'm 8 00:00:25,380 --> 00:00:24,369 sure I'm not blowing anybody's mind when 9 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:25,390 I suggest that there might be 10 00:00:31,140 --> 00:00:29,050 hydrothermal systems on ocean worlds and 11 00:00:33,210 --> 00:00:31,150 in particular you might have heard about 12 00:00:35,460 --> 00:00:33,220 this from the Cassini mission when it 13 00:00:37,250 --> 00:00:35,470 flew through the plumes of Enceladus and 14 00:00:39,780 --> 00:00:37,260 actually detected for the first time 15 00:00:42,030 --> 00:00:39,790 observational evidence that hydrothermal 16 00:00:44,700 --> 00:00:42,040 processes could be occurring on ocean 17 00:00:46,889 --> 00:00:44,710 worlds and this in particular was an 18 00:00:48,319 --> 00:00:46,899 interesting result so they found oh 19 00:00:51,510 --> 00:00:48,329 that's 20 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:51,520 just kidding mixing up my buttons so 21 00:00:54,930 --> 00:00:53,410 they found molecular hydrogen which we 22 00:00:56,790 --> 00:00:54,940 think in the high abundances that it was 23 00:00:58,650 --> 00:00:56,800 detected on Enceladus must be a result 24 00:00:59,970 --> 00:00:58,660 of hydrothermal chemistry and they not 25 00:01:01,950 --> 00:00:59,980 only found it but they found it in 26 00:01:04,380 --> 00:01:01,960 disequilibrium concentrations with 27 00:01:07,230 --> 00:01:04,390 methane and carbon dioxide such that you 28 00:01:09,090 --> 00:01:07,240 get a high chemical affinity or abundant 29 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:09,100 and abundance of free energy for this 30 00:01:12,570 --> 00:01:11,170 reaction with anna genesis which is 31 00:01:15,330 --> 00:01:12,580 exciting it's a big astrobiological 32 00:01:17,370 --> 00:01:15,340 buzzword because methanogens they use 33 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:17,380 this reaction to fuel themselves as a 34 00:01:24,750 --> 00:01:22,330 metabolism on earth so how does this 35 00:01:26,070 --> 00:01:24,760 work exactly right so we have 36 00:01:28,109 --> 00:01:26,080 hydrothermal systems somehow they're 37 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:28,119 they're providing stuff that's fueling 38 00:01:32,910 --> 00:01:30,130 energy for life how exactly does this 39 00:01:35,010 --> 00:01:32,920 happen well you have some rock it has 40 00:01:36,300 --> 00:01:35,020 this stuff in it you pour some water on 41 00:01:37,950 --> 00:01:36,310 it you heat it up and it starts 42 00:01:40,410 --> 00:01:37,960 outgassing interesting things like 43 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:40,420 hydrogen methane carbon dioxide those 44 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:42,490 methanogenesis ingredients as well as 45 00:01:44,940 --> 00:01:44,770 other things and that's all well and 46 00:01:46,590 --> 00:01:44,950 good 47 00:01:49,410 --> 00:01:46,600 everything in this hydrothermal system 48 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:49,420 is in equilibrium but then once you mix 49 00:01:52,830 --> 00:01:51,130 it with the cold ocean water that has a 50 00:01:54,810 --> 00:01:52,840 totally different chemical composition 51 00:01:59,010 --> 00:01:54,820 they clash and you get disequilibrium 52 00:02:00,719 --> 00:01:59,020 and in particular we think in the oceans 53 00:02:03,179 --> 00:02:00,729 of these icy moons you can actually be 54 00:02:05,700 --> 00:02:03,189 getting molecular oxygen so you can make 55 00:02:07,590 --> 00:02:05,710 oxygen in the icy surface radiation 56 00:02:09,479 --> 00:02:07,600 breaks apart water molecules there and 57 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:09,489 if your surface is geologically active 58 00:02:13,229 --> 00:02:11,290 which we think they are an ocean world's 59 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:13,239 then you can actually take this oxygen 60 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:14,970 and deliver it 61 00:02:18,410 --> 00:02:17,010 into the ocean and then you have all 62 00:02:19,970 --> 00:02:18,420 these reduced species coming up from 63 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:19,980 your hydrothermal fluids you have oxygen 64 00:02:23,630 --> 00:02:22,250 floating around in the ocean and 65 00:02:26,540 --> 00:02:23,640 disequilibrium 66 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:26,550 for redox reactions so life takes 67 00:02:29,990 --> 00:02:28,530 advantage of the space equilibrium it 68 00:02:32,450 --> 00:02:30,000 extracts energy from that to push the 69 00:02:34,610 --> 00:02:32,460 system back toward equilibrium and uses 70 00:02:38,450 --> 00:02:34,620 that energy to sustain itself as a 71 00:02:40,460 --> 00:02:38,460 metabolism so could these things be 72 00:02:42,950 --> 00:02:40,470 happening on Europa we've seen evidence 73 00:02:45,290 --> 00:02:42,960 for it on Enceladus already the issue 74 00:02:46,580 --> 00:02:45,300 with Europa is that it's larger we think 75 00:02:49,610 --> 00:02:46,590 it's more complicated and we know 76 00:02:51,740 --> 00:02:49,620 nothing about it so how do we deal with 77 00:02:53,780 --> 00:02:51,750 something like that we consider all of 78 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:53,790 the possible scenarios that it could be 79 00:02:57,890 --> 00:02:56,130 falling under so we know a lot about 80 00:02:59,030 --> 00:02:57,900 hydrothermal systems on earth we think 81 00:03:02,180 --> 00:02:59,040 we know something about how they might 82 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:02,190 be working on Enceladus maybe on Io 2 83 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:03,810 which is not hydrothermal but at least 84 00:03:06,950 --> 00:03:05,130 it's volcanic ly active and in the 85 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:06,960 Jupiter system so we can apply all of 86 00:03:09,980 --> 00:03:08,610 these different geochemical constraints 87 00:03:11,810 --> 00:03:09,990 from all of these other bodies and say 88 00:03:13,550 --> 00:03:11,820 most likely your rope is falling 89 00:03:15,500 --> 00:03:13,560 somewhere within this parameter space of 90 00:03:16,700 --> 00:03:15,510 all these other analogs and look at 91 00:03:18,710 --> 00:03:16,710 exactly how these different parameters 92 00:03:20,930 --> 00:03:18,720 combine to affect hydrothermal 93 00:03:24,890 --> 00:03:20,940 geochemistry potentially an energy 94 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:24,900 availability on Europa so we can start 95 00:03:29,540 --> 00:03:27,330 by making these lovely activity diagrams 96 00:03:32,210 --> 00:03:29,550 so let's pretend like we have a black 97 00:03:35,210 --> 00:03:32,220 smoker on Europa 300 degrees the open 98 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:35,220 sea floor pressure 1,500 bar and we 99 00:03:38,300 --> 00:03:36,570 don't know what the pH of this black 100 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:38,310 smoke or fluid is we don't know what the 101 00:03:41,570 --> 00:03:39,810 oxidation state is so we're just gonna 102 00:03:43,190 --> 00:03:41,580 let those vary and we're gonna look at 103 00:03:45,259 --> 00:03:43,200 generally for carbon at least what does 104 00:03:48,350 --> 00:03:45,269 the parameter space in that hydrothermal 105 00:03:49,580 --> 00:03:48,360 fluid look like so we see we can get all 106 00:03:51,979 --> 00:03:49,590 of these different things that depends 107 00:03:54,110 --> 00:03:51,989 on these parameters and now we can try 108 00:03:55,729 --> 00:03:54,120 to set some reference points to try and 109 00:03:58,640 --> 00:03:55,739 see if we're near this reference point 110 00:04:00,740 --> 00:03:58,650 what does our fluid look like so for pH 111 00:04:02,660 --> 00:04:00,750 we can calculate what neutral pH is as a 112 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:02,670 function of temperature plot that on 113 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:05,010 here and maybe say your rope is probably 114 00:04:10,430 --> 00:04:07,410 I don't know within two log units on 115 00:04:13,220 --> 00:04:10,440 either side ish of neutral pH so how 116 00:04:15,860 --> 00:04:13,230 would the speciation of carbon change as 117 00:04:18,090 --> 00:04:15,870 you move from higher pH to lower pH 118 00:04:20,370 --> 00:04:18,100 around that pH neutral point 119 00:04:24,810 --> 00:04:20,380 and same thing with oxidation state so 120 00:04:26,490 --> 00:04:24,820 the fmq buffer what is happening hey 121 00:04:29,430 --> 00:04:26,500 this is very dramatic the PHA late and I 122 00:04:31,470 --> 00:04:29,440 should take quartz buffer approximates 123 00:04:33,840 --> 00:04:31,480 redox conditions in ultramafic Rock on 124 00:04:34,710 --> 00:04:33,850 earth so we think there's alter mafic 125 00:04:37,380 --> 00:04:34,720 rock and some of these hydrothermal 126 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:37,390 systems on earth it's not necessarily oh 127 00:04:41,940 --> 00:04:40,090 my gosh being buffered by these minerals 128 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:41,950 but it's like around what you would 129 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:48,490 predict the okay it's fine um so how do 130 00:04:52,620 --> 00:04:50,130 what you would predict the hydrogen 131 00:04:54,780 --> 00:04:52,630 activity to be if it were being buffered 132 00:04:56,550 --> 00:04:54,790 by these minerals so let's plot that on 133 00:04:58,260 --> 00:04:56,560 there again it's temperature dependent 134 00:05:00,660 --> 00:04:58,270 300 degrees this is where it falls and 135 00:05:02,340 --> 00:05:00,670 let's say maybe Europa is at the F and Q 136 00:05:03,540 --> 00:05:02,350 buffer maybe it's more reduced compared 137 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:03,550 to that maybe it's more oxidized 138 00:05:07,980 --> 00:05:05,170 compared to that how would that affect 139 00:05:11,190 --> 00:05:07,990 the distribution the speciation of 140 00:05:12,450 --> 00:05:11,200 carbon there and then let's start 141 00:05:15,060 --> 00:05:12,460 playing around with the parameter space 142 00:05:16,890 --> 00:05:15,070 so we've seen that at 300 degrees this 143 00:05:18,090 --> 00:05:16,900 is what it looks like if we then change 144 00:05:20,190 --> 00:05:18,100 the temperature so let's make our 145 00:05:21,930 --> 00:05:20,200 hydrothermal fluid colder you can see 146 00:05:24,180 --> 00:05:21,940 that these more oxidized species get 147 00:05:26,310 --> 00:05:24,190 pushed out to zero degrees when you only 148 00:05:28,650 --> 00:05:26,320 have methane and vice versa when you 149 00:05:31,020 --> 00:05:28,660 make it hotter you're pushing ch4 out 150 00:05:32,750 --> 00:05:31,030 and getting more oxidized species so 151 00:05:37,710 --> 00:05:32,760 that tells us if you have higher hotter 152 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:37,720 hydrothermal fluids then maybe oops then 153 00:05:41,940 --> 00:05:40,210 maybe you have more oxidized species 154 00:05:43,620 --> 00:05:41,950 unless you're really really reduced if 155 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:43,630 you have cooler hydrothermal fluids 156 00:05:49,290 --> 00:05:44,890 maybe you have more reduced species 157 00:05:50,580 --> 00:05:49,300 unless you're very very oxidized so now 158 00:05:52,950 --> 00:05:50,590 I'm going to flip the parameter space 159 00:05:55,770 --> 00:05:52,960 around on you a little bit and instead 160 00:05:57,300 --> 00:05:55,780 of fixing temperature and letting pH and 161 00:05:59,790 --> 00:05:57,310 oxidation state vary I'm gonna do the 162 00:06:01,800 --> 00:05:59,800 opposite so I've fixed the oxidation 163 00:06:05,070 --> 00:06:01,810 state at this fmq buffer reference point 164 00:06:07,050 --> 00:06:05,080 here I fixed the pH pH neutral and now 165 00:06:08,580 --> 00:06:07,060 we're gonna vary pH one at a time and 166 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:08,590 see what happens and you can see that as 167 00:06:13,410 --> 00:06:11,290 you move to more alkaline pH values all 168 00:06:14,820 --> 00:06:13,420 these charge species like my carbonates 169 00:06:16,860 --> 00:06:14,830 and carbonates start showing up 170 00:06:18,980 --> 00:06:16,870 especially at higher temperatures so 171 00:06:22,260 --> 00:06:18,990 essentially 172 00:06:23,970 --> 00:06:22,270 ph's job sorry is to control the 173 00:06:27,690 --> 00:06:23,980 abundance of charged species in your 174 00:06:29,850 --> 00:06:27,700 fluid that's its primary role so this is 175 00:06:31,500 --> 00:06:29,860 a lot of lines but just bear with me 176 00:06:33,780 --> 00:06:31,510 here so this is what I showed you before 177 00:06:35,370 --> 00:06:33,790 right we decided as we move down here as 178 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:35,380 we move through more alkaline pH values 179 00:06:39,780 --> 00:06:37,450 you get more charged species and now 180 00:06:41,340 --> 00:06:39,790 we're going to vary oxidation state one 181 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:41,350 at a time and see what its general 182 00:06:47,310 --> 00:06:45,130 effect is so we're at fmq and move to 183 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:47,320 more oxidized values you can see that 184 00:06:51,620 --> 00:06:48,730 methane of course is getting pushed out 185 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:51,630 there and it looks like at this oxidized 186 00:06:56,010 --> 00:06:54,730 reference point the role of pH is really 187 00:06:57,750 --> 00:06:56,020 dramatic right these plots look 188 00:07:00,030 --> 00:06:57,760 drastically different from pH neutral to 189 00:07:02,130 --> 00:07:00,040 pH neutral +4 whereas if you're more 190 00:07:04,170 --> 00:07:02,140 reduced they look exactly the same 191 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:04,180 so pH and temperature have less of an 192 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:06,730 effect when you're at more reduced fluid 193 00:07:10,830 --> 00:07:09,250 values when you're more oxidized the 194 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:10,840 effect of pH and temperature is much 195 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:14,770 more dramatic so that's interesting 196 00:07:18,180 --> 00:07:16,810 right we have some idea of maybe how 197 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:18,190 these different parameters could be 198 00:07:22,110 --> 00:07:19,690 affecting the hydrothermal fluid 199 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:22,120 composition on Europa but let's tie this 200 00:07:25,950 --> 00:07:24,010 into astrobiology because this is an 201 00:07:28,890 --> 00:07:25,960 astrobiology conference so how do we do 202 00:07:30,810 --> 00:07:28,900 that well with Ana Genesis buzzword 203 00:07:31,980 --> 00:07:30,820 again we looked at it on Enceladus let's 204 00:07:34,770 --> 00:07:31,990 look at how it might be working on 205 00:07:36,450 --> 00:07:34,780 Europa so I showed you on Enceladus they 206 00:07:38,430 --> 00:07:36,460 calculated the free energy the chemical 207 00:07:40,409 --> 00:07:38,440 affinity for the system found a Genesis 208 00:07:42,780 --> 00:07:40,419 reaction the way to do that is by 209 00:07:44,670 --> 00:07:42,790 calculating this reaction quotient Q and 210 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:44,680 for that you need the ratio of methane 211 00:07:52,380 --> 00:07:46,930 to carbon dioxide you also need the 212 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:52,390 activity of hydrogen so just to explain 213 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:54,490 this a little bit more this guy I've put 214 00:07:58,409 --> 00:07:56,410 in orange because this we're assuming is 215 00:08:00,030 --> 00:07:58,419 controlled entirely by those parameters 216 00:08:02,100 --> 00:08:00,040 that I was varying in the hydrothermal 217 00:08:03,510 --> 00:08:02,110 vent fluid so we're not assuming re 218 00:08:05,460 --> 00:08:03,520 speciation in the ocean yet we're 219 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:05,470 assuming this ratio is set by our 220 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:08,530 hydrothermal vent hydrogen on the other 221 00:08:12,540 --> 00:08:10,210 hand who are assuming is set by the 222 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:12,550 parameters of the global ocean so again 223 00:08:17,250 --> 00:08:14,650 you have this hydrothermal ch4 - co2 224 00:08:19,020 --> 00:08:17,260 it's mixing with hydrogen in your ocean 225 00:08:20,490 --> 00:08:19,030 they're totally different chemical 226 00:08:22,710 --> 00:08:20,500 properties they clash they create 227 00:08:24,190 --> 00:08:22,720 disequilibrium that give you energy from 228 00:08:26,630 --> 00:08:24,200 without 229 00:08:28,790 --> 00:08:26,640 so the issue here is that we have no 230 00:08:30,590 --> 00:08:28,800 idea what the activity of hydrogen is in 231 00:08:32,510 --> 00:08:30,600 Europa's ocean but we can at least try 232 00:08:35,150 --> 00:08:32,520 and maybe get some upper limits and 233 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:35,160 lower limits so I'm going to assume that 234 00:08:38,719 --> 00:08:37,050 the ocean is probably not more reduced 235 00:08:41,390 --> 00:08:38,729 than the hydrothermal vent fluid so the 236 00:08:43,660 --> 00:08:41,400 most reduced it can be is at this fmq 237 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:43,670 plus two buffer that I showed you before 238 00:08:48,770 --> 00:08:47,130 on the other hand the more oxidized it 239 00:08:50,900 --> 00:08:48,780 can be is much much lower than that 240 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:50,910 right so I mentioned that you can get 241 00:08:54,740 --> 00:08:52,530 radio lytic oxidants from your service 242 00:08:56,570 --> 00:08:54,750 being delivered to your ocean this paper 243 00:08:58,130 --> 00:08:56,580 down here has actually constrained how 244 00:09:00,230 --> 00:08:58,140 many of those oxygens might be in 245 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:00,240 Europa's ocean so we can assume as a 246 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:02,130 lower-end member that oxygen and 247 00:09:07,580 --> 00:09:05,010 hydrogen are in equilibrium in this zero 248 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:07,590 Degree ocean and because you have a lot 249 00:09:10,700 --> 00:09:08,970 of radio lytic oxidants you have very 250 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:10,710 very little hydrogen and we'll assume 251 00:09:14,510 --> 00:09:12,450 that our hydrogen activity on Europa is 252 00:09:17,420 --> 00:09:14,520 somewhere between those two end members 253 00:09:19,490 --> 00:09:17,430 as you can see this varies drastically 254 00:09:21,500 --> 00:09:19,500 obviously you have free energy below 255 00:09:23,180 --> 00:09:21,510 zero that's not good for life but 256 00:09:25,970 --> 00:09:23,190 specifically you want to be above this 257 00:09:27,590 --> 00:09:25,980 reference point so biologists on earth 258 00:09:29,270 --> 00:09:27,600 have constrained the amount of energy 259 00:09:31,340 --> 00:09:29,280 you need from a metabolic reaction to 260 00:09:33,170 --> 00:09:31,350 actually sustain life it's about 10 to 261 00:09:35,540 --> 00:09:33,180 20 kilojoules per mole it's right here 262 00:09:37,970 --> 00:09:35,550 so you as you can see here if you want 263 00:09:43,700 --> 00:09:37,980 to meet this requirement you need to be 264 00:09:45,560 --> 00:09:43,710 up in this space up here so your ocean 265 00:09:47,420 --> 00:09:45,570 fluid needs to be pretty reduced maybe 266 00:09:49,550 --> 00:09:47,430 slightly more oxidized than the vent 267 00:09:54,680 --> 00:09:49,560 fluid but still it needs to be in this 268 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:54,690 region over here yeah so reduced ocean 269 00:09:59,930 --> 00:09:57,090 good form without a Genesis oxidized 270 00:10:02,460 --> 00:09:59,940 ocean fabric without a Genesis does that 271 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:02,470 mean if we have an oxidized ocean 272 00:10:06,090 --> 00:10:05,050 at fmq and ph-neutral that that's the 273 00:10:07,590 --> 00:10:06,100 end that methanogens 274 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:07,600 in the sound of genesis the affinity 275 00:10:10,500 --> 00:10:09,490 can't change if we again start bearing 276 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:10,510 these parameters No 277 00:10:15,150 --> 00:10:12,970 so let's look at what happens pH 278 00:10:16,500 --> 00:10:15,160 obviously we would expect not to have an 279 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:16,510 effect right because we said that 280 00:10:19,140 --> 00:10:17,650 controls the abundance of charged 281 00:10:21,690 --> 00:10:19,150 species it has nothing to do with the 282 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:21,700 siege for co2 ratio at least not if 283 00:10:26,820 --> 00:10:24,210 we're not considering reefs pca ssin 284 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:26,830 whereas oxidation state we said does 285 00:10:30,660 --> 00:10:29,170 effect methane and co2 if you're more 286 00:10:32,250 --> 00:10:30,670 reduced to get more methane if you're 287 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:32,260 more oxidized you get more oxidized 288 00:10:36,540 --> 00:10:34,330 species and you can see this right so 289 00:10:38,580 --> 00:10:36,550 this line shifts up and down ever so 290 00:10:42,060 --> 00:10:38,590 slightly as you change oxidation state 291 00:10:43,890 --> 00:10:42,070 but the takeaway is the same you still 292 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:43,900 need to be in this more reduced region 293 00:10:49,860 --> 00:10:47,890 in order to be above that yellow line so 294 00:10:51,930 --> 00:10:49,870 does that mean that if we have a more 295 00:10:55,230 --> 00:10:51,940 oxidized ocean it's dead there's no life 296 00:10:57,150 --> 00:10:55,240 no because we can also consider aerobic 297 00:10:59,220 --> 00:10:57,160 reactions so let's say we have life 298 00:11:01,800 --> 00:10:59,230 that's using those radiologic oxidants 299 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:01,810 to oxidize methane well we have 300 00:11:05,130 --> 00:11:03,730 constraints again on the amount of 301 00:11:07,590 --> 00:11:05,140 oxygen that might be in Europa's ocean 302 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:07,600 from this paper here 303 00:11:10,980 --> 00:11:09,010 this is assuming hydrothermal processes 304 00:11:12,750 --> 00:11:10,990 or eating some of that oxygen this is 305 00:11:14,910 --> 00:11:12,760 assuming the oxygen is just building up 306 00:11:16,620 --> 00:11:14,920 and not really being reduced but even so 307 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:16,630 even at these low levels of oxygen 308 00:11:20,850 --> 00:11:18,850 predicted in this paper you still have 309 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:20,860 tons and tons of energy for aerobic 310 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:24,730 methane oxidation and in fact it's well 311 00:11:29,610 --> 00:11:26,650 above again this 10 to 20 kilo Joule per 312 00:11:31,680 --> 00:11:29,620 mole level that you need to be at in 313 00:11:33,750 --> 00:11:31,690 order to sustain life so this looks 314 00:11:36,030 --> 00:11:33,760 really good but again I fix the 315 00:11:37,110 --> 00:11:36,040 oxidation state I fixed the pH we have 316 00:11:38,700 --> 00:11:37,120 no guarantee that your rope is 317 00:11:40,350 --> 00:11:38,710 hydrothermal fluid actually looks like 318 00:11:44,380 --> 00:11:40,360 that so what happens if we vary that 319 00:11:50,889 --> 00:11:48,160 well again we've decided oxidation state 320 00:11:53,100 --> 00:11:50,899 changes your ch4 to CO 2 ratio so we 321 00:11:55,630 --> 00:11:53,110 were here before as we move to more 322 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:55,640 oxidized conditions the energy shifts 323 00:12:00,370 --> 00:11:57,290 down as we more to move to more reduced 324 00:12:04,210 --> 00:12:00,380 conditions the energy shifts up but even 325 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:04,220 so again you're still like well above 326 00:12:09,310 --> 00:12:07,490 400 300 kilojoules per mole well above 327 00:12:10,630 --> 00:12:09,320 that 10 to 20 kilojoules per mole level 328 00:12:12,850 --> 00:12:10,640 that you need to be at in order to 329 00:12:18,130 --> 00:12:12,860 support life so good news for methane 330 00:12:19,930 --> 00:12:18,140 oxidation so summary here right 331 00:12:21,639 --> 00:12:19,940 but that agenda said oh my gosh with 332 00:12:23,680 --> 00:12:21,649 Nana Genesis you need to be above the 333 00:12:25,780 --> 00:12:23,690 yellow line if you're have a very 334 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:25,790 reduced ocean fluid that's good news you 335 00:12:29,590 --> 00:12:27,170 meet that if you have more oxidized 336 00:12:31,060 --> 00:12:29,600 fluid that's bad and it doesn't look 337 00:12:32,889 --> 00:12:31,070 good from it down to Genesis but that's 338 00:12:35,199 --> 00:12:32,899 fine because even if you are at more 339 00:12:37,449 --> 00:12:35,209 oxidized conditions like here you can 340 00:12:41,230 --> 00:12:37,459 still use aerobic oxidation like 341 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:41,240 methylene oxidation to support life so 342 00:12:45,579 --> 00:12:43,730 in general our hydrothermal parameters 343 00:12:47,230 --> 00:12:45,589 even though they changed drastically the 344 00:12:49,150 --> 00:12:47,240 composition of your hydrothermal fluid 345 00:12:50,860 --> 00:12:49,160 and they do change the amount of energy 346 00:12:53,380 --> 00:12:50,870 the amount of life you can support 347 00:12:55,540 --> 00:12:53,390 absolutely you still can support some 348 00:12:58,900 --> 00:12:55,550 life from aerobic reactions from methane 349 00:13:00,370 --> 00:12:58,910 oxidation regardless and I just wanted 350 00:13:01,900 --> 00:13:00,380 to add that this is also great for 351 00:13:03,670 --> 00:13:01,910 Europa clipper which is going to go up 352 00:13:05,110 --> 00:13:03,680 hopefully sometime in the 2020s and 353 00:13:06,759 --> 00:13:05,120 measure the composition of the ocean 354 00:13:08,139 --> 00:13:06,769 from the plume so we can take those 355 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:08,149 measurements and trace them back to 356 00:13:12,699 --> 00:13:10,970 these kind of models to figure out what 357 00:13:14,620 --> 00:13:12,709 kind of hydrothermal processes might or 358 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:14,630 might not be happening on Europa and how 359 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:15,890 much chemical energy might be in the 360 00:13:19,430 --> 00:13:18,290 ocean and with that I will take 361 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:19,440 questions 362 00:13:29,569 --> 00:13:26,689 [Applause] 363 00:13:31,999 --> 00:13:29,579 okay so we have time for one or two 364 00:13:34,639 --> 00:13:32,009 questions and if anybody's cellphone we 365 00:13:37,489 --> 00:13:34,649 have some feedback going on so the front 366 00:13:43,939 --> 00:13:37,499 row right here does anyone else feel 367 00:13:46,069 --> 00:13:43,949 like okay nevermind carry on okay so if 368 00:13:49,789 --> 00:13:46,079 there's a measure disequilibrium that 369 00:13:52,819 --> 00:13:49,799 might suggest that life didn't use it so 370 00:13:55,100 --> 00:13:52,829 is there a way to use this modelling to 371 00:13:57,679 --> 00:13:55,110 calculate the maximum amount of 372 00:14:00,530 --> 00:13:57,689 measurable disequilibrium that still 373 00:14:02,119 --> 00:14:00,540 allows for some life to it around yeah 374 00:14:03,489 --> 00:14:02,129 so this is a big question and this is 375 00:14:06,199 --> 00:14:03,499 something people raised with the 376 00:14:07,609 --> 00:14:06,209 methanogenesis chemical affinity also 377 00:14:10,999 --> 00:14:07,619 like if there's all this free energy on 378 00:14:12,439 --> 00:14:11,009 Enceladus why isn't life using it and we 379 00:14:13,879 --> 00:14:12,449 don't really have this constrained well 380 00:14:15,650 --> 00:14:13,889 enough because we don't know how much 381 00:14:18,229 --> 00:14:15,660 life could be on Enceladus and based on 382 00:14:20,329 --> 00:14:18,239 that we don't know how much of this how 383 00:14:22,100 --> 00:14:20,339 much it's going to drive the system 384 00:14:23,629 --> 00:14:22,110 toward equilibrium so maybe without life 385 00:14:25,069 --> 00:14:23,639 you would have even more chemical 386 00:14:27,409 --> 00:14:25,079 affinity than what we actually measured 387 00:14:29,269 --> 00:14:27,419 we don't know something I would like to 388 00:14:30,679 --> 00:14:29,279 do on earth actually is look at in 389 00:14:32,449 --> 00:14:30,689 systems where we know there are 390 00:14:34,579 --> 00:14:32,459 methanogens how much free energy is 391 00:14:36,769 --> 00:14:34,589 there for methanogenesis is it zero or 392 00:14:38,239 --> 00:14:36,779 is it still some positive amount because 393 00:14:39,379 --> 00:14:38,249 you still if it's zero that kind of 394 00:14:41,449 --> 00:14:39,389 tells you the system might be in 395 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:41,459 equilibrium you can't really support 396 00:14:44,869 --> 00:14:43,410 more life but is that necessarily true 397 00:14:46,189 --> 00:14:44,879 it would be really interesting to 398 00:14:50,239 --> 00:14:46,199 compare how we know this works on earth 399 00:14:55,949 --> 00:14:53,009 all right we will keep moving along 400 00:14:57,430 --> 00:14:55,959 thank you very much one more round of